Are you just making up this BS as you go along? Try actually READING the deal, not some propaganda site. Trump simply wants Obama's name off of it... He'll do nothing to replace it as China sweeps in and THEN the U.S. will get bent over.

Hush....an alias

 

Better yet, why dont you just prove that what I stated here, is not the factual, then we can talk about that.

Rather than you just blowing some hot air out your pie hole.

China will do nothing of the sort, you're just taking the word of that senile old fucker in Arizona.

 

From the Washington Post:

Withdrawal from Trans-Pacific Partnership shifts US role in world economy: *not_secure_link*www.msn.com/en-us/...ld-economy/ar-AAm9Mds?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U220DHP

Hush....an alias

 

We are far better off having bilateral trade relations with each individual country we trade with rather than forfeit our interests and sovereignty to a one-size-fits-all treaty.

Liberals are only pissed off because they like to approach everything with a one-size-fits-all solution that can be controlled by a few elites at the top who wish to control everyone else. Their stupid followers buy into the nonsense that China will take over and make all the rules that govern future trade between everyone else. It doesn't do that. It's just fake news to claim that it does do that.

Even Hillary knew how much this would fuck over the United States. That's why she had to lie to voters and say she had suddenly developed (temporary) reservations about TPP. Many voters saw right through her lies. Her untrustworthiness cost her the election.

 

Having a dificult time finding the 'deal' so that you can edumacate me on how good it is for the U.S.?

Here is a summary of the ''DEAL''

https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-of...015/october/summary-trans-pacific-partnership

Here is the full text, new and improved;

https://www.tpp.mfat.govt.nz/text

Get back with me when you have understood what you want to teach me about it.

 

From HuffPo


The Big Problem With The Trans-Pacific Partnership's Super Court That We're Not Talking About

Financiers will use it to bet on lawsuits, while taxpayers foot the bill.

8/29/16

Investor-state dispute settlement — an integral part of the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal — allows companies to sue entire countries for costing them money when laws or regulations change. Cases are decided by extrajudicial tribunals composed of three corporate lawyers. Buzzfeed, in a multi-part investigation launched Sunday, called it “the court that rules the world.”

Although the ISDS process has existed for years, TPP would drastically expand it. The most common criticisms of the system are that it’s secret, that it’s dominated by unaccountable big-firm lawyers, and that global corporations use it to change sovereign laws and undermine regulations. That’s all true.

But here’s what most of the coverage and the critics are missing.

The ISDS system ― which is now written into over 3,000 international trade treaties, including NAFTA ― was designed to solve a specific problem. When corporations invest abroad, they fear that their factories might be nationalized or their products expropriated by governments that also control the local courts. ISDS is meant to give companies confidence that if a country seizes their accounts or factories, they’ll have a fair, neutral place to appeal.

But instead of helping companies resolve legitimate disputes over seized assets, ISDS has increasingly become a way for rich investors to make money by speculating on lawsuits, winning huge awards and forcing taxpayers to foot the bill.

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Case in point:

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...stem-lets-corportations-sue-states-ttip-icsid 6/10/15

The quiet village of Moorburg in Germany lies just across the river from Hamburg. Past the 16th-century church and meadows rich with wildflowers, two huge chimneys spew a steady stream of thick, grey smoke into the sky. This is Kraftwerk Moorburg, a new coal-fired power plant – the village’s controversial next-door neighbour. In 2009, it was the subject of a €1.4bn investor-state case filed by Vattenfall, the Swedish energy giant, against the Federal Republic of Germany. It is a prime example of how this powerful international legal system, built to protect foreign investors in developing countries, is now being used to challenge the actions of European governments as well.
...
In 2008, Vattenfall was granted a water permit for its Moorburg project, but, in response to local pressure, local authorities imposed strict environmental conditions to limit the utility’s water usage and its impact on fish.

Vattenfall sued Hamburg in the local courts. But, as a foreign investor, it was also able to file a case at the ICSID. These environmental measures, it said, were so strict that they constituted a violation of its rights as guaranteed by the Energy Charter Treaty, a multilateral investment agreement signed by more than 50 countries, including Sweden and Germany. It claimed that the environmental conditions placed on its permit were so severe that they made the plant uneconomical and constituted acts of indirect expropriation.

Vattenfall v Germany ended in a settlement in 2011, after the company won its case in the local court and received a new water permit for its Moorburg plant – which significantly lowered the environmental standards that had originally been imposed, according to legal experts, allowing the plant to use more water from the river and weakening measures to protect fish.

But wait! There's more!

The European Commission has now stepped in, taking Germany to the EU Court of Justice, saying its authorisation of the Moorburg coal plant violated EU environmental law by not doing more to reduce the risk to protected fish species, including salmon, which pass near the plant while migrating from the North Sea.


[M4M note: Anyone else thinking "GerExit"? Or "DeXit" (Deutscheland)]


But wait! There's more!!


A year after the Moorburg case closed, Vattenfall filed another claim against Germany, this time over the federal government’s decision to phase out nuclear power. This second suit – for which very little information is available in the public domain, despite reports that the company is seeking €4.7bn from German taxpayers – is still ongoing. Roughly one third of all concluded cases filed at the ICSID are recorded as ending in “settlements”, which – as the Moorburg dispute shows – can be very profitable for investors, though their terms are rarely fully disclosed.


There are now thousands of international investment agreements and free-trade acts, signed by states, which give foreign companies access to the investor-state dispute system, if they decide to challenge government decisions. Disputes are typically heard by panels of three arbitrators; one selected by each side, and the third agreed upon by both parties. Rulings are made by majority vote, and decisions are final and binding. There is no appeals process – only an annulment option that can be used on very limited grounds. If states do not pay up after the decision, their assets are subject to seizure in almost every country in the world (the company can apply to local courts for an enforcement order). While a tribunal cannot force a country to change its laws, or give a company a permit, the risk of massive damages may in some cases be enough to persuade a government to reconsider its actions. The possibility of arbitration proceedings can be used to encourage states to enter into meaningful settlement negotiations.

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Yeah...the USA needs TPP like Merkel needs another million Syrian refugees.

 

Don't bother.
If it can be associated with Trump, the Trump Unsupporters will throw up on it, declaring it another example of Trump's lying, cheating, greedy ways.
No matter what it is, no matter what the facts are, no matter what; Trump = bad is what the unsuporters will shout.

 

You think your domestic press are having a hard time!

The press in all those foreign lands that you need to negotiate trade deals with, cannot even understand the Chump........apart from "great" and "fantastic" they cannot understand the words the chump is uttering let alone judge those words as lies or not!

An orator the Chump is not!

*not_secure_link*usuncut.com/news/r...ng-interpret-trumps-unforgivably-bad-english/

Thinskin

 

"It remains unclear what exactly Trump means when he says “Make America Great Again,” but Caicedo says it transliterates to Spanish with a threatening ring, given the US’s history.

“When he says ‘Make America Great Again’, we are thinking of the kind of America that used to intervene in governments in Latin America,” she said."

Maybe they should check past transcripts, or see if they can find who the interpreters were in 2008 and during the earlier Clinton era, and see how they translated the phrase all the times Bill said it.




Still trying to figure out what they're complaining about with this one:

“When it comes to speaking of something other than his victory, he clings desperately to the words contained in the question put to him, without succeeding in completing his own thought.”


So, you can translate the word when it's used in the question, but when Trump uses the same words (the "bitter clinger"), those words are now a problem?

 

Still clinging on that source huh?

 

And here is what is just hilarious to me. If Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton played the same phony games Trump does they would be all over twitter and the news shows bragging about how they forced Trump to cancel the TPP. Because they also opposed it.

And it is the Republicans going clear back to Ronald Reagan who have been pushing for "free trade" agreements. That just cracks me up.

 

Global trade has been going on since the end of WWII.

The funny thing is, ''free trade'' really doesn't exist, does it?

 

Did anyone else notice some idiot who doesn't know "global trade" has been going on since even before written human history?

 

That idiot new that 'trade' has been going on long before written human history.

 

Trump: I will repeal and replace Obamacare

I told you so that was total bullshit

First he issues a meaningless executive order on the ACA while recently released secret recordings show the conservative/Republican/Tea Party members of congress are at each others throats and freaking out about repealing the ACA.

 

Update on the Great Big Beautiful Wall
Trump: I will build a great big beautiful wall on the border and Mexico will pay for it

I told you so that was total bullshit.

First the American taxpayers are going to pay for the wall. And then if Trump actually slaps taxes on imports from Mexico American consumers will end up paying again through higher prices.

And I will also throw in another perfect example of the lie of conservatism as it is preached and practiced in this nation.

It has always been conservative orthodoxy that raising taxes only hurts consumers because if taxes are raised on businesses the businesses simply raise their prices to offset the tax increase. But if its Trump saying he is going to raise taxes that's just fine with them.

 

Can a president change laws passed by congress?

 

Hey Hush it looks like you got Ace's panties in such a tight wad he is speechless.

 

Trump--I will sign an executive order calling for an investigation into the 3-5 million illegals who voted.

I told you so that was total bullshit.

Trump has still not issued an executive order calling for an investigation into voter fraud and probably won't.

Because the conservative/Republican/Tea Party/White Supremacists in congress and the red states can't allow the investigation to go forward. Because if they did it would expose their voter fraud lies and highlight their voter suppression efforts.